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Jesus and the Devil Are Brothers

I read that Mike Huckabee, a Southern Baptist minister and one-time governor of Arkansas, asserted that Mitt Romney wasn’t a viable presidential candidate because he believed that Jesus and the Devil were brothers. Why else would he make such a statement if he wasn’t trying to allude to this “crazy” idea. But, the fact is that religions of every stripe are filled with crazy ideas and the followers of these religions are told that the ideas are crazy, but if one has faith and believes the crazy ideas then they will be saved.

When I read about Mike Huckabee’s statement I laughed. I was thinking about all the “crazy” ideas that the Baptists believe. In fact I thought about the “crazy” idea that all Christians have that Jesus was born of a virgin, died and rose from the dead. How is this idea not “crazy?” In fact there is a Yiddish idiom for a crazy idea that refers to the craziness of someone rising from the dead. Anyone can make fun of the crazy ideas that anyone else’s religion professes. This is because if you need to have faith to believe it, then it is impossible to prove that it is true by its very nature.

But, then again I thought about the idea that Mike Huchabee spouted off as being so “crazy.” I asked myself, Didn’t God create all of the angels? If they exist, and Christians believe that they do, then God must have created them, right? And, wasn’t Satan one of the angels, the rebellious one? So, I would assume that since God created the angels and Satan was an angel I would suggest that God created Satan. And since God created Satan I would presume that we could say that God was Satan’s father. It was after all Free Will which was responsible for Satan to choose to turn away from God. This of course is the same Free Will that makes us responsible for turning away from God.

So, if Satan’s father was God. And, we already know that Christians believe that Jesus’ father is God then Jesus and Satan actually share the same father. And, in most cultures when to people share the same father they are siblings. I am still wondering what the “crazy” part of this Mormon belief would be. Is it that Jesus and Satan don’t share the same male gender? This could be the issue, after all angels don’t have a gender in Christian theology, right? If they would have a gender, then they might have sex, and that would just be “crazy.” Right?!!!

So, I guess I now understand why the Baptists would think that the idea that Jesus and Satan were brothers would just be too crazy and we shouldn’t have a loony in the White House that would believe such craziness. But, then again we have a crazy person in the White House that believes that a nuclear war might be a good thing because it might bring Jesus back to Earth a wee bit sooner.

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Don’t forget what Stephen Colbert said, “Reality has a well-known liberal bias.”

Cross Posted @ Bring It On, tblog, Blogger and BlogSpirit

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11 Responses to “Jesus and the Devil Are Brothers”

  1. I have serious doubts that Bush wants a Nuclear War for Jesus to come back. But then again, I am not a crazy loon… Carry on…

  2. Steve,
    Are you sure you’re not crazy? Really? ;-)

  3. Paul, Steve didn’t say he wasn’t crazy just that he wasn’t a crazy loon. We will have to take him at his word as I cannot recall a single post of his defending loons. He leaves open the possibility of still being just plain old crazy.

  4. manapp,
    Fair point. I have to concede that steve, although certainly crazy, is not a loon. Thanks for picking up my error.

  5. Are you sure? Can you verify that he does not in fact have feathers? By today’s journalistic standards, isn’t it’s Steve’s responsibili ty to prove he isn’t a filthy avian infiltrator planning to subvert our fair furry live-young-b earing society when we least expect it? Come on, Steve - the public demands that you produce documentatio n from a doctor or three that you are in fact a mammal.

  6. Here I thought it was the Christians in search of the truth… Should I take a picture of my hand holding today’s paper? Would that suffice? I’d have my opposable thumb in clear view as well.

    If y’all read my blog on a daily basis, you realize there is an ongoing discussion in the comment section that I am in fact crazy… I am not trying to pimp my blog or anything but there is some long time documentatio n of my craziness.

    Perhaps loon was a bad choice of word. Maybe I should have said, Crazy Liberal.

  7. So, if Satan’s father was God. And, we already know that Christians believe that Jesus’ father is God then Jesus and Satan actually share the same father. And, in most cultures when to people share the same father they are siblings.

    To a Mormon, yes, but this gets at the reason that Christians tend to think of Mormans as not Christians: Mormons think that Jesus, like Satan, was created in time whereas to Christians, Jesus is the uncreated Son of God and God, the Son. So no. In Christian theology, Satan and Jesus do not have God as their father in at all the same sense. To think of Jesus as a creature was rejected as a heresy at the 325 AD Council of Nicea: Arianism, named after Arius ((256-336 A.D.) Greek Christian priest and theologian of Alexandria (Egypt) who claimed that Jesus was the first created being but was not God or divine).

    Thus, calling Satan and Jesus brothers in the sense that two humans having the same father and mother are brothers is something that no Christian who knows and understands the history and theology behind the Arian controversy would ever do. To make an imperfect analogy, it would be like calling my sons and my blog posts brothers because they both had their origins from me. Well, yes, except they aren’t both human beings, you see. Back to theology, Jesus is something quite distinct, something that could never be said of Satan: the Word, as in John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God”.

    It is true that we Christians sometimes think of Jesus as our elder brother in that we are, in some sense, both children of God but there must remain the understandin g that this is only so in and through the incarnation, wherein God the Son becomes the son of Mary, both God and man in one undivided and indivisible person. But even the incarnation does not relate Jesus to Satan as Satan is not a man in Christian theology. He is an angelic being, spirit without flesh and yet, because created in time (and therefore not eternal nor sharing in the omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence or any of the other ‘omnis’ that properly describe God in Christian theology) he is not divine. Therefore, for Christians, Satan might properly be called the brother of other Angels, he is brother neither to Jesus nor to people.

    Now I understand that, to the ears of most who read this, what I’ve laid out above may seem just as silly (or sillier) than anything Mormons may believe. My point is not that it is less silly but to explain how, at least among Christians, there is no sense in which “Jesus and Satan are brothers” is not a heretical statement. No Christian who understands and takes seriously the theological and historical issues would ever make that statement without knowing that it is heretical and in no way Christian since the fourth century AD. Which is, of course, the whole reason that Huckabee asked the question. It’s not that he didn’t know enough about Mormons or about Christian history and theology, it was because he DID understand it. He was, in backhanded and, I imagine he thought, plausibly deniable way, saying that Romney is a member of a heretical sect and no Christian. Why? Because there are lots of Christians who care about things like that, even when it comes to electing a president rather than a pastor.

  8. And you all misunderstan d Steve’s statement “I am not a crazy loon”. He was not denying he was a loon. He merely denied that he was a CRAZY loon, as both his veterinarian and his pet psychologist s will, no doubt, gladly attest. :^)

  9. You guys have no wit whatsoever…:  )

  10. He is an angelic being, spirit without flesh and yet, because created in time (and therefore not eternal nor sharing in the omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence or any of the other ‘omnis’ that properly describe God in Christian theology) he is not divine.

    So when can we expect the devil to die since he is not eternal. AT over 6000 yrs ( ibelieve the standard bibical lenght of time since the begining) he prettry old now. Do you think he has dementia or alzhimers?

  11. Christopher,

    Eternal = without beginning and without end.

    Immortal = with beginning but without end.

    In Christian theology, angels are immortal. Only God is eternal. Then again, In Christian theology, humans are also immortal with respect to the soul. We don’t expect Satan to die.

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